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Lies, Deception, & Minneapolis with Dr. J.C. Chaix

Lies, Deception, & Minneapolis with Dr. J.C. Chaix
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Travis is kicking off 2024 with a fascinating discussion with the writer and director of "The Fall of Minneapolis,"  Dr. J.C. Chaix.

Dr. Chaix reveals the web of misconceptions surrounding strategic media and communication, particularly in light of the George Floyd incident. Dr. Chaix's work has exposed the unhealthy traits of leadership in our society and the damage it is doing across the nation.

This episode shines a light on the intricate dance between truth and accountability, where the steps are often muddied by the missteps of those in power. We wade through the repercussions of law enforcement actions and public perceptions, unpacking the emotional and systemic toll these have on officers and public safety professionals. Dr. Chaix opens up about the emotional journey of confronting systemic issues and the imperative for leaders to stand firm in support of those working on the front lines, ensuring justice and truth prevail.

This is one of the most important episodes we have done and we encourage you to listen and pass it along.

You can watch "The Fall of Minneapolis" here.


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Chapters

00:00 - Interview With Dr J C Chaix

04:23 - The Dangers of Lies and Hypocrisy

20:07 - Systemic Failure in Public Safety

23:40 - Accountability and Demands in Law Enforcement

28:31 - Impact of Lies and Manipulated Truths

33:52 - The Importance of Truth and Leadership

43:39 - FBI and DOJ on Truth & Lies

55:05 - Impact of Consent Decrees on Cities

Transcript
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Those who know better, those with the wherewithal, those who have the gift of being able to lead, those who take on the responsibility of leadership, need to do better to help people get through the misunderstandings, to get through the falsehoods, to overcome the disbelief and get back to just some solid footing and say yeah, you know what.

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It's not about self-righteousness, it's not about politics, it's not about this utter myth of racism.

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Welcome to Courageous Leadership with Travis Yeats, where leaders find the insights, advice and encouragement they need to lead courageously.

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What an honor today to have Dr J.

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C.

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Chaix on the show.

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Dr.

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Dr is a former law enforcement officer, has his PhD in strategic media and communication, he's a writer and he's also the editor and director of the documentary the Fall of Minneapolis.

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Now we had Liz Collin on earlier and she talked about some details about that documentary, but Dr Chaix was behind the scenes during all of that, during all the book they're lying.

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It's probably one of the last interviews he's going to give on this topic.

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We're gonna talk about that a little bit later.

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But, man, what an honor, J C, that you would kind of spin one of the last times you're gonna speak to the media, so to speak with us and with our audience.

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How are you doing, sir?

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Oh, thank you, Travis.

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It's also an honor to speak with you and your audience and, indeed, saving the best for last in a lot of ways, this is the right time and the right place to basically have the last interview I'm willing to do, discussing the law enforcement aspects of the entire George Floyd arrest and death incident.

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Yeah, and I know you told me, listen, you didn't do this to go on all these media shows, right?

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I mean, it's kind of part of it when you come out with this documentary.

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But, by the way, if you haven't seen the documentary, you really need to probably stop this and go watch it, because it is absolutely.

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I could use a lot of adjectives here, verbs, here or whatever, but it is shocking, it's amazing, it is heartbreaking.

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It's just simply something that nobody ever dreamed would occur in this country.

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A lot of people are successful in this world, but the things you have done have really not even been for monetary value, but they have changed the trajectory, I believe, of society, and we're gonna get into some of those things a little bit later, but this documentary is earth-shattering, so just explain to our audience how in the world, out of all of the documentary makers and all of the journalists on the planet, it was you and Liz Collins that decided to take this on.

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Well, thank you, Travis, for the flattery and really your esteem as well, I mean.

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Likewise, seeing how you've developed, become Dr Travis Yates as well, has certainly been inspiring.

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For me, I think the fundamental thing that has perhaps positioned me to be able to do this, and Liz as well, it's a fundamental moral commitment to the truth, above and beyond, as you mentioned, all other things like profit, like making money.

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Those motivations don't put you into a situation where you say I see lies after lies after lies and you come to this part of yourself that needs to be reckoned, that just cannot accept that for what it is, for lies and untruths to just go unchecked.

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And I think that more than anything else, is what brought Liz and I together as collaborators.

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Your influence as well we run around in kind of similar orbits here Definitely led to that.

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But I think fundamentally, when you have two collaborators who are committed to telling the truth and truth-speaking, this is precisely what happens.

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Well, it's part of the problem, is it not?

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We talk about two collaborators that are committed to the truth.

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What is going on?

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Just as society, jay.

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We're gonna get into the documentary in a minute, but this is all.

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This is much bigger than George Floyd.

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It's much bigger than how George Floyd died.

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It's much bigger than innocent cops in jail.

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This is about letting lies control the universe, so to speak.

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I mean, the entire planet changed based on this lie.

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And if anybody's listening and they ran across this and they go, what are you talking about?

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A lot, just stop what you're listening to.

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Go watch the Fall of Minneapolis.

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This documentary.

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There's no doubt.

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There's no bias in it.

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There's no opinion in it.

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There is no question what happened.

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The book is the same way.

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They're lying that obviously Liz Cullen wrote and you edited, jay.

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So there's no debate here.

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We're not gonna debate that on this show.

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But what we wanna I wanna talk about more than anything is the dangers of us letting this go without holding power accountable and what that can do to the future of our sons, daughters and future generations.

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Yeah, that's a great point, Travis.

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It certainly isn't the how George Floyd died documentary.

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In fact, if I can be a little flippant about it for a second, I almost don't even care about that.

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I mean, like you said, there's no debate.

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So we have someone who had a combination of methamphetamine and fentanyl, who had heart diseases, including hypertension, the silent killer blocked arteries, overexerting himself, a delayed EMS response, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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Four Boy Scout police officers executing what is basically a textbook example of an in-policy technique called the, you know, maximal restraint technique there's, and for reasonable doubt to disappear and say, yeah, all those things aside, yep, it was Derek Chauvin and his homicidal intent that killed George Floyd.

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That's not even a.

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You know, I was willing to have that debate two years ago or three years ago, not anymore.

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But yes, it is this string of lies.

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And more importantly, travis, perhaps the best critique I received is that the documentary doesn't show anything new.

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We've seen all this before.

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The body cam was out, whatever.

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And then people criticize.

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The best criticism, what I'm really actually very proud of, is folks say well, this stopped right when you know the other video starts, the Facebook video starts, and you know it doesn't go into the whole thing.

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I'm very proud of that criticism.

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If you're thinking strategically about all this and again, the moral circumstance, the morass of American society that we're in right now undeniably is that people were comfortable not knowing the whole story, not questioning it.

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So when folks criticize me and say, well, it didn't say the whole story, it didn't show everything, yep, it didn't.

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And that's deliberately the point, because we stop it right at where this you know viral Facebook video picked up and supposedly showed the world everything we needed to know to convict a racist, homicidal police officer and his three fellow officers who were aiding and betting him, all of that together for that to happen.

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Travis is a failure of leadership.

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It's a failure of our so-called elected representatives.

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It's a failure of just morality to say this is not right, there's something wrong here, and to do something about it.

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And I think where that ends and begins, in a way, travis is with the sort of apathy of our generation Gen X not really giving a darn to do something beyond their immediate concern and purview.

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Well, and you're right.

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The hypocrisy is pretty outstanding.

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The same people that are complaining that you didn't show the entire body camera video.

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You stopped the viral video started.

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We're the same ones that convicted these guys to racist, to lifetime in jails, hopefully off of a viral video including police leadership, by the way.

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Police leaders everywhere will tell you the faults of letting a viral video dictate the narrative, but in this particular case, we all seem to have done that to the point to where I was the crazy person that said I really can't make a judgment here because I'm only seeing this viral video.

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I like to see all the other information and all of a sudden I was a Russian stooge and a white supremacist, and you can go on and on, right and so.

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But the other hypocrisy is this whole idea that we don't.

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We want to just ignore everything that we know.

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Now, like I'll give you an example where's all the social justice warriors?

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And no peace, no justice, and we have innocent people in jail, so we're gonna fight for them all the way to the office of the president.

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Where are those folks at Jay?

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Because if that's what they stand for, it's clear from the documentary you have four innocent folks in jail right now as we speak, but nobody seems to be saying anything nobody in police leadership, nobody on these national organizations, no politician, nobody that is advocating as a nonprofit to get innocent people out of jail.

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They're not saying a word.

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So the hypocrisy there is pretty damning and I have my opinion I wanna get yours first about that.

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Yeah, I think, Travis, again, when folks say, oh, it stopped, it doesn't show the whole thing.

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I do somewhat laugh and say, great, at least folks are getting it now.

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At least they're aware of what happened.

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I'm pulling the same trick that mainstream media did three years ago.

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Glad you finally noticed.

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It's time to get in the game and time to care.

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And it's, however, that damages your ego to say I think I got it wrong.

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It shouldn't be.

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We're human.

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We can make mistakes.

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We can gather new information and change our perspectives.

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That's what we should be doing.

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But we put ourselves in this kind of strange socio-technological circumstance with all the social media and everything else, where, hey, it's either we're living and dying by thumbs up and thumbs down and it's one thing after another, where we are just a reactive society.

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We are not the contemplative, rational society we were even 40 years ago.

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It's completely changed.

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And fighting crime, altruistically, making a real difference, making people who are gonna spend one of their checks when they're on limited income and 80 years old to hire a handyman to take the bars off their windows because the neighborhood's safe again, that kind of work.

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To do that kind of work, it's not hard, but it takes effort and it takes leadership, and it's easy.

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You and I both know this.

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It's easy, but it's not politically convenient, it's not opportunistic, it's not helping someone gain some advantage.

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In this weird kind of charisma world we're in, nobody cares about the character of individuals anymore.

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We put such a value on charisma and what people say.

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So it should be no surprise that we have this hypocrisy run amok, travis, where today we're gonna stand for this and not that, oh, and tomorrow.

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Oh, now something new just popped up we're gonna stand for this.

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If you look back at anything in the last three years, travis, that's exactly what's been happening and it doesn't matter what it is fundamentally, but this bizarre self-righteousness that's just allowed to go unchecked.

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What has been amazing to watch or to not watch is all of the people, including police chiefs in virtually every major city and all the cities in between, that immediately came out on a viral video and just lambasted these officers and just went along with the narratives the media was given.

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And now today, they have to know, the governor has to know, ellis has to know I mean, these aren't, at the end of the day, dumb people.

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They know, but it's been interesting to see their response.

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Their response has been silence.

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Now, to me, that is much worse than falling for a lie.

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It's much worse to then fall for a lie than know it was a lie, than just to say nothing and let the lie continue.

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What is your take on that?

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Because I'm not sure if you've sort of thought what the reaction would be.

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But the sheer silence from police organizations and union organizations and I mean there's nobody saying this I mean it's so odd to me that we are permitting this to occur and not trying to correct the lie, because my concern is Jay, that means it's going to happen again.

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It will happen again, we will fall for it again and we're right back here talking about this in a few years.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And if I can bring up another criticism, I love when everyone goes ad hominem as well.

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So Liz Collin is an absolute Nazi according to her critics.

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She's, you know, eva Braun, hitler's wife.

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And now I love the fact I've done a couple of interviews, which are difficult and uncomfortable for me, being introverted, but I've done them and this will be my last on this subject.

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But okay, so we're Nazis and it's really interesting.

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We have a German scholar, Victor Klemper, who said way back then in his analysis of how the Nazis and the Nazi regime took over and how they did it with words and it started off small, saying, you know, using one term for something, then another, and creating this kind of really strange new vocabulary.

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And what's important there, klemper did phenomenal work on what the Nazis were saying and doing.

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He touches on it briefly by what they didn't say.

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And if you take that idea further, that's exactly right now.

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It's, it's definite, it's blinding what the mainstream media is not saying about this.

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There've been no corrections, Travis, not one.

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I'm not even talking about a redaction, I'm just saying a correction, not one that I've seen.

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I have yet to read an article where somebody says the four officers called for an ambulance within 36 seconds of George Floyd being put on the ground.

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I have yet to read that in any mainstream article and, more importantly, direct to your point and to answer your question.

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I have heard few, definitely few, almost silent, nothing being said from police leaders.

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I think I got this one wrong.

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Yeah, and the danger in that and we talked about it in our substack article.

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You can see all those at www.

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travisyates.

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org and just hit the substack link and it was oddly no one said a word when I wrote it.

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But it was are you working for a chief through these officers under the bus, right, almost everybody was.

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If they are not coming out now and apologizing and saying I got it wrong, who's to say they wouldn't do it to you?

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Because they made a comment, jay, on an incident that didn't happen in their community.

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They had no skin in that game.

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You don't see superintendents of schools come out every time a teacher's arrested for rape and going this is never going to occur in my school and I've done this and I've done that doesn't happen because they have a brain and they think to themselves well, that happened over in town X, this is town Y, just doesn't apply to me, not in law enforcement.

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They all ran out there in virtue signal at the highest level.

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Well, if they did that and you're working for them today, or you're working with that politician today, or you're working with that prosecutor today, and they have not come out and said, hey, we got this wrong, we're gonna be a little more diligent in the future before we make these kind of statements and treat people like this.

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Then you're in trouble, because if they had no skin in the game doing that, what are they gonna do?

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If it happens to you and they now have skin in the game, they're gonna do the same exact thing.

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And nobody seems to care, jay.

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The nobody seems to care that this is going to happen again unless we, unless we, discuss this once again.

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This is not about George Floyd per se.

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This is about letting a lie, letting a lie completely wreck this country, and nobody can argue that.

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Where's violent crime now versus them?

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Where's where's employee morale now versus them?

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Where's police recruiting now versus them?

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Where's police retention now versus them?

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Nobody can tell me this helped anything.

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This is this is we're on the path of destroying this profession factor.

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There are now agencies that don't exist.

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Based on this, there'll be agencies, larger agencies, in five years that won't exist.

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Minneapolis, as I speak, is down 400.

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There'll be down 500.

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There'll be below 50% of the original staffing.

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They won't exist to be a sheriff's department running that place.

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This is where we're tracking and nobody to this day seems to care.

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It is really troubling at the highest level, Jay, and really is a symptom of the sick leadership going on in this profession yeah, and that's a good point, travis, and one of the things where I try to debate folks in the rare times I do engage.

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So I say, please take this policy, the maximum restraint technique policy from the Minneapolis Police Department that was in effect when this incident occurred, its policy 5-316.

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If you follow that policy and policies and procedures exist for law enforcement officers not to just check them off, mind you, to actually follow right if you take that policy and you apply to this instance, you know there is no failure.

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They were not out of policy, they did everything that was in that policy.

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Now you could say things like well, they should have done this, they should have done that, they should have got off them, great, I can think of a thousand things.

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But again, according to that a policy and applying it to this incident, there's no policy violation.

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So I'm willing to accept and I've said this a lot that policy is flawed, tremendously flawed.

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That's a whole other issue.

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But what that does, travis, and this is exactly why everyone in your audience and I don't care if you're a rookie or you're been chief for two or three years why this matters because, exactly, we had a police chief get on the stand and basically commit perjury.

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Not my opinion.

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These are other officers who said that Under his command have said that that was perjury.

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It was tough to hear someone lie like that on the stand and when we had that happen, officers following policy and there is no mea culpa, there is no accountability from the higher levels of leadership and there are everyone else who was let's just call it what it is Travis shamed and terrified into being called a racist or having anything to do with look like racism when BLM is, you know, going full blast.

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Does anyone want to donate to BLM, by the way, today?

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Well, it is a great real estate company, that's for sure.

00:20:01.772 --> 00:20:02.074
True.

00:20:02.074 --> 00:20:06.541
So the point is it was a moment that was seized.

00:20:06.541 --> 00:20:09.175
I think a lot of folks got it wrong.

00:20:09.175 --> 00:20:24.711
I think we didn't have all of the information, like the body cam videos to watch and I say that with emphasis on the plural, because you do need to watch all of them in their entirety, ideally together, but that's another thing.

00:20:24.711 --> 00:20:39.423
If we have that type of failure, we have that type of lying Travis and we have nobody really effectively coming back and say to their departments or to anyone else, to the public we got this wrong.

00:20:39.423 --> 00:20:48.373
That is a really profound moment where I think we're staring at never mind systematic or systemic racism.

00:20:48.373 --> 00:20:57.242
We're looking at systemic failure because the things that we believed about public safety are obviously no longer in effect.

00:20:59.209 --> 00:20:59.630
Yeah, it's.

00:20:59.630 --> 00:21:03.441
We've lied to every police officer in America because this is what we tell them.

00:21:03.441 --> 00:21:19.317
And those of you that aren't law enforcement this I'll just tell you when you're in the academy, they say this to you about a thousand times hey, if you follow your policy and follow your training, nothing else matters, doesn't matter what someone says about you, doesn't matter what the complaint says, doesn't matter what the media says.

00:21:19.317 --> 00:21:24.695
We are tasking you to following policy and following training and you will be okay.

00:21:24.695 --> 00:21:36.462
Well, that is now an abject lie and it's an abject lie to every police officer working for anybody that works for anybody that said these guys need to go to jail, and that, to me, is highly dangerous.

00:21:36.462 --> 00:21:44.530
I don't want to stay on this forever, jay, because we have so much to cover, but I'm just going to ask this to I maybe open up Pandora's box like where do we go from here?

00:21:44.530 --> 00:21:45.734
Like how do we come back from this?

00:21:45.734 --> 00:21:48.253
Because this is not just this lies, not just with George Floyd.

00:21:48.634 --> 00:21:57.775
You got to remember, you know, just a few years ago we had a US Capitol Police officer shoot an unarmed lady that had, at most, committed vandalism and trespassing.

00:21:57.775 --> 00:22:03.550
Right, and that's not me saying it, Washington DC Metro did an after action report on that and they talked about that.

00:22:03.550 --> 00:22:06.460
There were Washington DC officers in the background of that shooting.

00:22:06.460 --> 00:22:09.659
They were just as shocked as anybody else that it had occurred.

00:22:09.659 --> 00:22:11.875
They were standing right there next to Ashley Babbit.

00:22:11.875 --> 00:22:13.558
And this is just.

00:22:13.558 --> 00:22:15.152
This is just washed away like no.

00:22:15.152 --> 00:22:19.269
She killed an insurrectionist, totally fine, totally in policy.

00:22:19.269 --> 00:22:20.532
Run the officer to 60 minutes.

00:22:20.532 --> 00:22:21.174
He's a hero.

00:22:21.174 --> 00:22:25.778
Nothing else is said and to this day I cannot get the Capitol Police to release the use of force policy.

00:22:25.778 --> 00:22:28.775
They've hidden everything and and so.

00:22:28.775 --> 00:22:31.902
And I could go on case after case after case.

00:22:31.981 --> 00:22:35.355
Eliza McClain, we just saw those paramedics go to jail.

00:22:35.355 --> 00:22:41.836
Well, literally here's what the Aurora Fire Rescue Chief said this is this guy's boss.

00:22:41.836 --> 00:22:46.152
Alex Oughten said said this I am discouraged.

00:22:46.152 --> 00:22:57.700
These paramedics have received felony punishment for following their training and protocols in place at the time and for making discretionary decisions while taking split second action in a dynamic environment.

00:22:57.700 --> 00:23:02.240
So these two paramedics are going to jail for following policy and training.

00:23:02.540 --> 00:23:04.997
That case actually wasn't about them, it was about the police department.

00:23:04.997 --> 00:23:13.140
But the coroner did not help help out the prosecutor, because the coroner totally dismissed the fact that the vascular neck restraint would do anything to anybody.

00:23:13.140 --> 00:23:17.131
He said that in his report, like this you know, this is done in martial arts all the time.

00:23:17.131 --> 00:23:21.635
So trust me, if that's tenants would have been changed from the corner, those guys would probably be in prison too.

00:23:21.635 --> 00:23:26.160
So these are, these are all individuals that did their policy, followed policy, followed training not me.

00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:28.920
Their boss said that and they're in prison.

00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:31.691
So this is not just with George Floyd.

00:23:31.691 --> 00:23:34.378
This is happening not just in law enforcement.

00:23:34.378 --> 00:23:36.817
It's happening in other professions, ie paramedics.

00:23:36.817 --> 00:23:40.636
This is going to keep happening and it's going to get wider and broader.

00:23:40.636 --> 00:23:43.614
So, jay, I know you've done the documentary, I know you've done the book.

00:23:43.614 --> 00:23:45.346
You've done well and above and beyond what you can do.

00:23:45.346 --> 00:23:45.710
But where?

00:23:45.710 --> 00:23:48.434
What can everybody else do about this?

00:23:50.799 --> 00:24:19.449
It's a great question, Travis, and I think my naivete in being a public servant was I thought that, as the guy on the you know, the grunt low man on the totem pole, I thought I needed to be committed to doing my job, following policy, following protocol, doing what my training has taught me to do, and I naively believe that everyone else would stand behind me, my higher-ups would look out for me and they would assume the accountability.

00:24:19.449 --> 00:24:28.097
In this case, when you have a policy failure, is that on the person following the policy, or the person who wrote it, or the leaders who affected it?

00:24:28.097 --> 00:25:02.634
And let's get back to this If there really is a law enforcement agency, the idea of people of different ranks working together, then those commitments need to go both ways, and I think it's one of the great ideas you had in your principles of courageous leadership, travis and yes, I've actually read them and paid attention to them where there has to be a different kind of contract between everyone in the ranks of law enforcement and it can't just be the scapegoating that's been going on for too long.

00:25:02.634 --> 00:25:06.272
And that's exactly what we should learn from this incident.

00:25:06.272 --> 00:25:15.460
With the George Floyd arrest, they scapegoated four officers, but if you look at it in the big picture.

00:25:15.460 --> 00:25:27.279
Why are we not holding everyone in every ranking, between up to the chief, up to the mayor, accountable for the failures that occurred, if this was such the worst thing ever?

00:25:27.339 --> 00:25:37.761
If systemic racism exists, well, if it's in law enforcement, that's a problem everyone in law enforcement needs to address, and I'm presuming that there's truth to that.

00:25:37.761 --> 00:25:48.761
I do not believe that, but if that's the case, as we're supposed to believe ostensibly, then that falls on the shoulders of everyone with a badge.

00:25:48.761 --> 00:25:52.054
So I would say this, travis, what needs to happen?

00:25:52.054 --> 00:26:00.201
We can't have leaders, we can't have supervisors, we can't have chiefs just making demands, demands, demands and demands.

00:26:00.201 --> 00:26:02.101
It needs to go both ways.

00:26:02.101 --> 00:26:04.862
Officers need to make the same demands.

00:26:04.862 --> 00:26:14.862
I think something you mentioned they should be demanding, or unions should be demanding hey, if I follow policy, if I follow protocol, where's the contract that says you're gonna back me up?

00:26:14.862 --> 00:26:17.099
Where's that contract?

00:26:17.099 --> 00:26:18.640
That needs to happen.

00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:20.902
We all need to work together to make things better.

00:26:22.055 --> 00:26:23.541
Yeah, that seems to make sense, right?

00:26:23.541 --> 00:26:31.400
Okay, chief, I'll work for you, but I just need a promise from you If I follow policy and I follow the training, will you throw me in jail or not?

00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:42.303
It seems to be a pretty easy answer, right, and from what I can hear right now, which is nothing, no one's answering that question for anybody, jake is, nobody said I'm sorry, nobody says I got it wrong.

00:26:42.303 --> 00:26:46.864
They're just continuing about their day while this lies out there and continuing to affect people.

00:26:47.095 --> 00:26:52.262
And, Jay, you obviously have so much more information in the book and the documentary can tell us.

00:26:52.262 --> 00:26:57.939
You got the court of thrust into this and I'm sure once you found out what was happening, you couldn't turn away.

00:26:57.939 --> 00:27:05.159
I know you are a principled person, you believe in truth, and I'm sure this must have kept you up many nights when you found this out.

00:27:05.159 --> 00:27:23.359
Give us an indication of what we don't know, like what didn't make it in the documentary, what didn't make it in the book, what would completely blow our mind beyond that which is hard to believe, by the way, if you've watched the documentary, read the book, but what didn't make the cut, what really pressed on you the most after doing these projects?

00:27:25.474 --> 00:27:35.999
Yeah, and it certainly did hijack my life for the last three years, I have to say, since this incident happened and again, it was just about.

00:27:35.999 --> 00:27:39.182
That idea of the truth needs to get out there.

00:27:39.182 --> 00:27:52.223
You and I wrote some articles early on and you certainly suffered tremendous consequences for that Me being the ghostwriter that I was at the time hardly, but I was right next to you watching that unfold.

00:27:52.223 --> 00:28:01.102
So that stuck with me and it'd be hard to say I'm a dad, I have a daughter, I care about her and her generation.

00:28:01.102 --> 00:28:03.320
It's gonna keep me up all night.

00:28:03.320 --> 00:28:07.880
That's more than just the Italian Polish grandmothers and me.

00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:08.241
I care.

00:28:08.241 --> 00:28:16.104
I wish I can get rid of the empathy and not care about the truth and being moral and getting along with people and trying to do the right thing.

00:28:16.104 --> 00:28:18.923
I wish I really could replace that with something.

00:28:18.923 --> 00:28:29.497
But there were so many things Travis that bothered me, kept me up at night, put more than a lump in my throat completely.

00:28:29.497 --> 00:28:29.897
Just.

00:28:31.121 --> 00:28:47.799
I walked around maybe last year for about a week in utter disbelief and by that I mean the lies, and I don't wanna identify them as we might be doing some more work there because there are so many of them.

00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:50.238
By disbelief.

00:28:50.238 --> 00:28:52.345
I mean I almost convinced myself.

00:28:52.345 --> 00:28:58.821
Well, if all of these things are true but have been told as lies, then there really is no sense of truth.

00:28:58.821 --> 00:29:01.845
I mean this got into like deep philosophy here.

00:29:01.845 --> 00:29:06.403
I mean I had to back up to Rousseau and stare at my hand and go well, all right, I think I had a handle.

00:29:06.403 --> 00:29:07.238
Maybe I am.

00:29:07.238 --> 00:29:08.563
It was bad.

00:29:08.714 --> 00:29:16.461
But to your point, travis, the documentary, if it achieves anything else, is not just how George Floyd died.

00:29:16.461 --> 00:29:17.817
It really is.

00:29:17.817 --> 00:29:32.961
Please, america, look at the series of lies, look at the continuity of manipulated truth and falsehoods that are here and how we all fell for them and how we are all suffering for them.

00:29:32.961 --> 00:29:41.565
And there have been many, even just ones, where we said well, this lie is huge, it's significant.

00:29:41.565 --> 00:29:49.281
Take, for example, how the autopsy was manipulated, how it doesn't mention the word homicide at all.

00:29:49.281 --> 00:29:54.141
Yet everyone still walks around and said the ME determined it was homicide.

00:29:54.141 --> 00:29:58.244
Actually, no, he went out of his way to not say that.

00:29:58.244 --> 00:29:59.298
It doesn't say it.

00:29:59.298 --> 00:30:12.500
We only have a case title that hints at something, that took days to sit down and stare at something empirical evidence and say there's the truth, and then there's everything else.

00:30:13.095 --> 00:30:16.441
And how do I make sense of this, and then the hard work Travis was.

00:30:16.441 --> 00:30:19.340
Well then, how do I portray this?

00:30:19.340 --> 00:30:29.404
How do I do this in a way that makes sense for people who've been lied to make it accessible for them, because even if, when you just show it, that doesn't do it.

00:30:29.404 --> 00:30:33.776
But I'm sorry I can't give you an answer of like.

00:30:33.776 --> 00:30:35.261
Here's my top 10 lies.

00:30:35.261 --> 00:30:39.962
There are so many of them, there are plenty of them that are in the documentary.

00:30:39.962 --> 00:30:48.622
There are, unfortunately, dozens more that will probably, in due time, getting them out there when the time is right.

00:30:48.622 --> 00:31:01.998
I'm a big fan of the idea of Kyros, the idea of doing the right thing at the right time, so I don't mean to give you and your audience a non-answer, but I can't say this.

00:31:01.998 --> 00:31:03.222
There was a lot.

00:31:03.222 --> 00:31:17.582
Everything that in the documentary is there to see was a representation of at least days, if not weeks, of just utter disbelief, where I couldn't even fathom that this was actually the reality of what I was working with.

00:31:18.315 --> 00:31:22.662
Well, Jay, I think your utter disbelief is actually part of the issue here.

00:31:22.662 --> 00:31:31.741
Like for you to watch this documentary or even to accept the fact that this was a lie, because this is the biggest lie of our generation.

00:31:31.741 --> 00:31:35.242
Right, you have to almost look at everything else you've been told.

00:31:35.242 --> 00:31:37.461
Well, how did JFK die?

00:31:37.461 --> 00:31:39.579
Did we land on the moon?

00:31:39.579 --> 00:31:41.982
Like what our government is telling us?

00:31:41.982 --> 00:31:43.140
Is any of this true?

00:31:43.140 --> 00:31:46.183
And it really, I think it goes against what we've all.

00:31:46.183 --> 00:31:46.977
You know, I grew up.

00:31:46.977 --> 00:31:55.224
How did we go from Rocky III and Rocky IV of God bless America to where we are today in such a short period of time?

00:31:55.224 --> 00:32:07.317
Right, because that was, you know, you go back to the 80s and even early 90s, man, there was just pride in truth and freedom, and you name it, right, and we've gotten here rather quickly, and it almost.

00:32:08.641 --> 00:32:11.920
Your worldview has to change, and people don't want to.

00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:13.365
I don't want my worldview to be this.

00:32:13.365 --> 00:32:14.780
I don't want to walk around going.

00:32:14.780 --> 00:32:20.159
Everything you're being told is probably a lie, but if I don't walk around and think that, I'm gonna be fooled.

00:32:20.159 --> 00:32:25.398
And so I think you've got to convince people that you know that Heather Haddoness and her raising her kids are going to work.

00:32:25.398 --> 00:32:26.435
They're not paying attention to this.

00:32:26.435 --> 00:32:29.900
That, hey, what you think this world is isn't necessarily so.

00:32:30.734 --> 00:32:46.643
And I think, more than anything I've seen in my lifetime, jay, this documentary does that Because, you know, unlike some of the other documentaries out there that kind of have a sort of an angle, hey, this alien sighting was in this country and although we don't have videos of Bigfoot within a video world, trust me, it happened.

00:32:46.643 --> 00:32:48.501
No, this is plain and simple.

00:32:48.501 --> 00:32:53.085
It's as easy to get One of the biggest lies that wasn't just about Minneapolis.

00:32:53.085 --> 00:32:57.542
That reverberated around the world, jay, we didn't have words like DEI before this.

00:32:57.542 --> 00:33:04.019
We didn't have words like equity before this we didn't have DEI consultants at universities making a half million dollars.

00:33:04.019 --> 00:33:07.380
We didn't have well, I'll just say it, the Harvard president before this.

00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:09.761
Right, that's the little timely going on right now.

00:33:10.454 --> 00:33:20.263
So this changed the world and it's put this sort of lexicon in our mindset that America's wrong, all because of a lie that was told.

00:33:20.263 --> 00:33:29.244
And so you've got to get across to people that and we're not going to get across to everybody, right, I think, from the popularity of the documentary, what millions and millions of views already.

00:33:29.244 --> 00:33:30.519
We're about a month out.

00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:32.982
The book we don't have exact sales on the book.

00:33:32.982 --> 00:33:37.582
That we know from some of the data that we know is done very, very good for first time.

00:33:37.582 --> 00:33:39.339
Author still doing very, very well.

00:33:39.339 --> 00:33:48.221
Number one of the charts is a few weeks ago still, so I think people are getting an understanding of it, but will that transition Jay into them not letting this happen again?

00:33:48.221 --> 00:33:49.179
What are your thoughts on that?

00:33:50.954 --> 00:33:52.160
Yeah, I think, Travis.

00:33:52.160 --> 00:34:05.825
Unfortunately, this backs up to just the basic idea of right and wrong and it can get confused with all the DEI stuff Sorry, I go back to my acronyms or D-I-E.

00:34:05.825 --> 00:34:11.320
It makes more sense in so many ways and that's not just being cute.

00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:13.239
All of that nonsense.

00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.061
Get all that, get all the politics out of the way.

00:34:16.061 --> 00:34:19.603
Go back to the basic right or wrong here.

00:34:19.603 --> 00:34:22.521
People have to care about that.

00:34:23.175 --> 00:34:25.623
And am I gonna conduct myself?

00:34:25.623 --> 00:34:27.402
Am I gonna have my own character?

00:34:27.402 --> 00:34:37.460
Is there a leader, just a human being, to say I'm gonna treat other people the way I wanna be treated and that's gonna be my standard in everything I do.

00:34:37.460 --> 00:34:46.320
Once we start to get back to that and start calling BS on all the other BS cause that's what it is we're not gonna get very far.

00:34:46.320 --> 00:35:01.021
And just to point out, I think this morning not that I watched this, but in preparing for this interview Liz's book they're Lying is actually the number one bestseller on Amazon at the moment in law enforcement and biographies.

00:35:01.114 --> 00:35:37.181
So that changes, but it's still relevant and people are searching for the truth and I think the key thing here, Travis as well those who know better, those with the wherewithal, those who have the gift of being able to lead, those who take on the responsibility of leadership, need to do better to help people get through the misunderstandings, to get through the falsehoods, to overcome the disbelief and get back to just some solid footing and say, yeah, you know what.

00:35:37.181 --> 00:35:44.483
It's not about self-righteousness, it's not about politics, it's not about this utter myth of racism Sorry it is.

00:35:44.483 --> 00:35:54.260
And get back to I'm just gonna treat other people how I want to be treated Simple stuff, the stuff you talk about in your leadership seminars.

00:35:54.260 --> 00:35:56.193
That's what makes the difference.

00:35:56.193 --> 00:36:00.061
And what makes the biggest difference is when we have those leaders.

00:36:00.061 --> 00:36:06.260
Take the Responsibility they claim for themselves and act upon it to help others do that.

00:36:06.260 --> 00:36:07.923
That's how this changes.

00:36:08.831 --> 00:36:13.090
Yeah, Jay, and I don't want to dismiss the moxie you have to have to have this belief.

00:36:13.090 --> 00:36:16.909
It seems strange to say, man, you got some guts to want to advocate for the truth.

00:36:16.909 --> 00:36:26.400
But we sort of live in that society where it takes that and you mentioned, you know how I've been treated in the past and and obviously, yeah, there's been some pretty brutal things that occur.

00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:32.110
A positive with that is, once you get stung, it doesn't hurt so much the next time and, of course, but this is where I land with that.

00:36:32.110 --> 00:36:33.134
I know you land with it too.

00:36:33.134 --> 00:36:41.789
Do whatever you want to me, as long as I'm telling the truth, I am going to live and die on the truth, whether you like it or not.

00:36:41.789 --> 00:36:46.264
Come after me with all you got, with one exception you come after my family.

00:36:46.264 --> 00:36:47.750
That changes the rules a little bit.

00:36:47.750 --> 00:36:50.277
So I would very I would caution anyone from doing that.

00:36:50.277 --> 00:36:56.730
But you can come after me with anything you want Because at the end of the day, I'm telling the truth.

00:36:57.271 --> 00:37:04.293
I think Tucker Carlson has probably encouraged me a lot because you know he's been called, you name it right and he just he's almost.

00:37:04.293 --> 00:37:05.396
He laughs about it.

00:37:05.396 --> 00:37:13.061
I've seen him laugh about it several times interviews he's like yeah, yeah, whatever, I know I'm not a racist, I know I'm not a white supremacist, I know I'm not a Russian agent.

00:37:13.061 --> 00:37:14.634
These people are nuts.

00:37:14.634 --> 00:37:16.139
He just sort of laughs about it.

00:37:16.139 --> 00:37:26.186
We almost have to get in that mindset, because I think we've let a lot of this go, j, because we are concerned about getting called a name, but the problem is that name doesn't mean anything.

00:37:26.186 --> 00:37:34.141
Right, they have muddied down the word racism so much where it should be comedy right now, and it's unfortunate because we do live in society.

00:37:34.141 --> 00:37:38.237
As long as society is made up of human beings, there are going to be legitimate racists in that society.

00:37:38.237 --> 00:37:40.181
We should root those racist out.

00:37:40.181 --> 00:37:49.045
But it's actually hurt the cause when you call everybody that right, and especially calling someone a racist because they have the audacity To tell the truth.

00:37:49.045 --> 00:37:54.961
Boy, I can't think of a worse stain on the civil rights movement than that right that we have people like that.

00:37:54.961 --> 00:37:59.489
But but I know that you have that attitude or you would not have done this right.

00:37:59.489 --> 00:38:03.146
This is next level truth telling and then I applaud you for that.

00:38:03.226 --> 00:38:10.530
Now, j, you mentioned the FBI and the documentary, and this hasn't been talked about a lot in some of the other interviews.

00:38:10.530 --> 00:38:15.074
By the way, you went on the Glenn Lourie show and John McWhorter I got to give you kiddos.

00:38:15.074 --> 00:38:22.382
Nobody really would have the guts to do that because these are some of the smartest men in our generation, right, these are very smart individuals, both college professors.

00:38:22.382 --> 00:38:31.996
Mcwhorter's a linguistic professor, right, and here you are with your little PhD in communication going toe-toe, right, I was, I loved it, man, and we'll put links to all these interviews in our podcast.

00:38:31.996 --> 00:38:41.041
But those guys hit you with some really tough questions, man, because I think they, legitimately, are trying to get to the truth and they know tough questions gets to the truth.

00:38:41.041 --> 00:38:47.355
You've been, of course, on the Megyn Kelly show and a bunch of other stuff before we get to the FBI stuff, just that's.

00:38:47.355 --> 00:38:49.286
That's new to you, man, like that'd be new to me.

00:38:49.286 --> 00:38:50.050
Like, what was it like?

00:38:50.050 --> 00:38:53.320
Don't get in that environment and speak into some of these folks that we all know.

00:38:55.190 --> 00:39:04.112
Yeah, I think, Travis, and in some ways thanks for my little Media Communications PhD.

00:39:04.112 --> 00:39:04.875
I appreciate it.

00:39:04.914 --> 00:39:07.382
It's not little man, people know, know that.

00:39:07.382 --> 00:39:09.509
But but let me just, I'll just be honest.

00:39:09.509 --> 00:39:13.503
My man, you're not Glenn Lourie, so let's just go on and move on, oh right right.

00:39:13.885 --> 00:39:19.309
So, yes, exactly, I don't have tenure at or I didn't, I wasn't at, harvard for 30 years.

00:39:19.309 --> 00:39:20.112
Yeah, absolutely.

00:39:20.112 --> 00:39:24.688
They are at a different league of esteem, and by no means am I was trying to forsake humility.

00:39:24.688 --> 00:39:37.824
But here's the thing, travis for me personally, being a ghost writer, being the editor behind the scenes, that works great for my INFJ personality.

00:39:37.824 --> 00:39:39.293
I am an introvert.

00:39:39.293 --> 00:39:44.795
That was really difficult for me personally, but it's not difficult.

00:39:46.530 --> 00:39:49.019
Telling the truth should never be difficult.

00:39:49.019 --> 00:39:50.143
It's liberating.

00:39:50.143 --> 00:39:55.096
I don't have to keep track of lies, I don't have to worry about what the second.

00:39:55.096 --> 00:39:57.961
You get back to truth and you just go with it.

00:39:57.961 --> 00:40:00.315
It's easy, it's not hard.

00:40:01.278 --> 00:40:04.599
And I'd love to sit here and say, oh, yeah, you know well.

00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:11.909
In my dissertation I basically told the world you know, hey, how everyone's been reading the revelation for the last 400 years.

00:40:11.909 --> 00:40:12.672
It's kind of wrong.

00:40:12.672 --> 00:40:18.170
And then I come along and say, yeah, everything you know about this whole George Floyd incident world.

00:40:18.170 --> 00:40:20.355
Sorry, you're wrong.

00:40:20.876 --> 00:40:23.503
According to the mainstream media, this is completely wrong.

00:40:23.503 --> 00:40:32.391
Some people would say, yeah, it takes a lot of moxie, it takes a lot of Cajones, if you will, to show up and Stand there.

00:40:32.391 --> 00:40:57.239
And when you have experts, when you have geniuses of our day and age, ask the tough questions that you One's a theoretical economist who understands society in ways that I can barely even track, and then you have a linguist who overlaps in the field I am communication, you know grilling you on, basically, the falsehoods and wanting to get at the truth.

00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:02.260
On one way, the perception could be wow, you really need strength to do that.

00:41:02.260 --> 00:41:13.849
I would say this it was just telling the truth, it was just looking at empirical evidence, with concern for the truth and nothing else.

00:41:13.849 --> 00:41:23.295
Not profit, not ego, not getting more views, not getting more likes, not appealing to the masses, not getting more votes, just the truth.

00:41:23.295 --> 00:41:30.858
It's easy, and if more people did that We'd have a lot less complications going on.

00:41:30.858 --> 00:41:32.181
I'm pretty sure about that.

00:41:32.831 --> 00:41:35.998
Well, we have a lot fewer YouTube videos because that video got censored.

00:41:35.998 --> 00:41:39.936
That you told the truth so well I would.

00:41:40.097 --> 00:41:44.956
It was strange to watch it Unfold before my own eyes.

00:41:44.956 --> 00:41:47.943
I have to be honest with you, travis, that was great.

00:41:47.943 --> 00:41:58.492
I was laughing to see it disappear and then come back and then the comments are off and then the comments are on and then somebody said oh, I had it.

00:41:58.492 --> 00:42:02.168
You know, I made a screenshot of it and they put that video on.

00:42:02.168 --> 00:42:02.831
There it was.

00:42:02.831 --> 00:42:13.003
It was a good 30 minutes of exactly proving the point how YouTube and all the other social media platforms are not technology platforms as they claim now.

00:42:13.003 --> 00:42:19.851
They're absolutely involved in editing and, more over, they are absolutely involved in censorship, undeniably.

00:42:19.851 --> 00:42:27.393
That was refreshing to me to see that example unfold right while I was trying to check out the video and it was.

00:42:27.393 --> 00:42:28.175
It was quite.

00:42:28.175 --> 00:42:31.429
It really was funny to see, as, like, this is just proving my point.

00:42:31.650 --> 00:42:36.021
Well, it also it also proves your point of how hard that must be.

00:42:36.021 --> 00:42:40.469
I mean, would it not be easier for YouTube to just go Well, let's just leave the truth on here?

00:42:40.469 --> 00:42:47.784
No, it must be a lot of work to yank down people's videos into, yank this and do this and and and then follow up with the complaints that people have.

00:42:47.784 --> 00:42:54.253
Course, it's just much easier to let the truth stay on your platform, but that's a whole another topic.

00:42:54.253 --> 00:43:04.670
Jay, pretty good, you, you mentioned the FBI in the documentary, yeah, and you've sort of not many people have dove into this in your previous interviews.

00:43:04.670 --> 00:43:10.010
But I want you to just kind of briefly discuss their role in this, because to me it's always strange.

00:43:10.797 --> 00:43:11.969
I've been the FBI National Academy.

00:43:11.969 --> 00:43:21.242
I've spent many, many weeks and months with FBI agents, most of them good people, but the upper echelon of the FBI, the management, like the FBI, highly, highly political.

00:43:21.242 --> 00:43:29.489
I think everybody today knows that, without a doubt on what's going on, we almost have two tiers of justice and it's very clear to see once again, it's weird how people aren't outraged by that.

00:43:29.489 --> 00:43:32.336
I mean, some people are, but it's weird that you aren't outraged by that.

00:43:32.336 --> 00:43:39.240
But but they got, they played a role in this, a pretty big role in this, which is always strange to me.

00:43:39.240 --> 00:43:43.983
Local police work is Traditionally always sticks with localities.

00:43:43.983 --> 00:43:45.489
You know you need the FBI for some things.

00:43:45.489 --> 00:43:49.451
You know you have an international case or or maybe it's across state lines.

00:43:49.451 --> 00:43:57.775
But for them to interject themselves so early on into this case, kind of tell us what you found out, what was telling them, sort of what you think's going on there.

00:43:59.797 --> 00:44:02.543
Yeah, so they, the FBI was called in.

00:44:02.543 --> 00:44:28.786
We do have Chief Aradondo, in some form or another, saying that either he or we, meeting himself along with the mayor, reached out to the FBI to get them involved because of the so-called optics and the viral video and the way it looked Well you know I don't want to stop you, but there was another way here, like that was get back to what we just said.

00:44:29.228 --> 00:44:35.702
The chief and the mayor could have stood in front of a microphone and told the truth.

00:44:35.702 --> 00:44:41.601
Absolutely, because that's the best optics, right, let's tell the truth.

00:44:41.601 --> 00:44:45.670
We probably wouldn't even be talking about this today, but that's for a whole, nother episode.

00:44:45.670 --> 00:44:48.942
But that should have been the first thought as a leader.

00:44:48.942 --> 00:44:50.266
Just get back to leadership here.

00:44:50.266 --> 00:44:53.215
Okay, people misunderstand what happened here.

00:44:53.215 --> 00:44:56.983
This is obviously a very viral video with a lot of information missing.

00:44:56.983 --> 00:44:59.576
Let's tell the truth.

00:44:59.576 --> 00:45:02.563
But instead of that, yeah, they call the FBI to help them.

00:45:03.891 --> 00:45:04.112
Right.

00:45:04.112 --> 00:45:16.166
And what they did pretty early on as well is they looked at the body cam video and I'm pretty sure, and from memos, from prosecutors, in other words, empirical evidence.

00:45:16.166 --> 00:45:27.126
This isn't my conjecture, we know things like the me deliberately did not watch any of the videos because he didn't want to have any influence or bias on his findings.

00:45:27.126 --> 00:45:49.856
That changed within days due to the ongoing Re-interviews, let's just say, between the ME, between the prosecutors and special agents from the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension and the FBI, all together in the same room or collectively on the same zoom call, exerting pressure and influence here.

00:45:49.856 --> 00:45:51.581
That's bizarre.

00:45:51.581 --> 00:45:55.309
That deserves a whole, you know set of questioning.

00:45:55.309 --> 00:46:18.369
But another interesting thing is the DOJ, on the request of the FBI, goes to the office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner and requests another autopsy review not an actual autopsy, but a review of the autopsy to give their version of it.

00:46:18.369 --> 00:46:23.349
So the FBI and the DOJ can now scan on that version of it.

00:46:24.052 --> 00:46:27.844
Well, just so we can clarify this really pecular, just so we can clarify this with our audience.

00:46:27.844 --> 00:46:29.369
Because this was such a big scam.

00:46:29.369 --> 00:46:31.309
There was only one autopsy done.

00:46:31.309 --> 00:46:37.369
Everyone else talking about the autopsy from that scam celebrity corner and everybody else.

00:46:37.369 --> 00:46:45.369
They literally watched a video or read the original autopsy and then gave their opinion, which is nothing compared to someone that actually does the autopsy.

00:46:45.369 --> 00:47:01.179
So they sort of made it seem like, well, yeah, there's just one autopsy out here that says this, but don't pay attention to the actual autopsy, pay attention to what everybody is saying, that read the autopsy, which is nothing more than a personal opinion, so to speak.

00:47:01.179 --> 00:47:02.213
Everybody can have.

00:47:02.213 --> 00:47:05.637
We know how that stinks, so but see how there's a lot of misunderstanding about that.

00:47:06.670 --> 00:47:09.320
Yeah, and back to the way words are used.

00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:16.204
They got around that by using words like independent autopsy report.

00:47:16.204 --> 00:47:18.092
What is that?

00:47:18.092 --> 00:47:19.195
Independent of what?

00:47:19.195 --> 00:47:21.418
Actual facts and actual review of a body?

00:47:21.418 --> 00:47:22.340
Yeah, I think so.

00:47:22.340 --> 00:47:24.244
That's fascinating, that's pretty fascinating.

00:47:24.489 --> 00:47:27.360
Yeah, that's what I want in an actual autopsy report.

00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:31.838
Like, imagine if you write this down on paper, travis and this is where absurdity comes in.

00:47:31.838 --> 00:47:35.273
And this is how I check my own beliefs or ideas, because I don't.

00:47:35.273 --> 00:47:40.342
I try not to believe everything I think, so to check it, I just write things down.

00:47:40.342 --> 00:47:42.452
So check this out, autopsy.

00:47:42.452 --> 00:47:50.576
Do not look at body, do not examine body, do not look at actual tissues, do not look at actual blood samples, don't look at actual toxicology and blood.

00:47:50.576 --> 00:47:52.320
Just come up with your own ideas.

00:47:53.340 --> 00:47:54.349
That should sound insane.

00:47:54.349 --> 00:47:57.139
Yet that's what we're supposed to believe.

00:47:57.139 --> 00:48:12.369
And, even worse, I can understand that when Ben Crump, the attorney for the family, gets an independent autopsy review, fine, I almost expect that he's running game trying to make money for his clients.

00:48:12.369 --> 00:48:14.369
I understand we should expect that.

00:48:14.369 --> 00:48:38.242
But when the Department of Justice does the same thing, we need to be deeply concerned as Americans about what our government and our government representatives and officials are doing, supposedly on our behalf, when they're doing that same absurd thing that I just mentioned.

00:48:38.242 --> 00:48:39.476
So wait a minute.

00:48:39.476 --> 00:48:42.485
The DOJ is saying they just did an autopsy by what?

00:48:42.485 --> 00:48:45.764
Oh, let's ignore the body, let's not review it, let's not look at the bed.

00:48:45.764 --> 00:48:48.442
But here's our autopsy report.

00:48:49.655 --> 00:48:57.746
That should be alarming, that should be terrifying, that should bring on a plethora of questions that everyone should be demanding answers for.

00:48:57.746 --> 00:49:01.643
I'd even go so far as to say there should be riots over this.

00:49:01.643 --> 00:49:08.166
There really should, because this is the absolute worst kind of administrative bureaucratic absurdity.

00:49:08.166 --> 00:49:12.764
And yet we're just sitting here like, oh yeah, and it's not even talked about.

00:49:12.764 --> 00:49:13.856
I guess I could say.

00:49:13.856 --> 00:49:19.141
Travis said that that would fall in line with one of the lies that wasn't in the documentary.

00:49:19.141 --> 00:49:21.762
It was highlighted for a second.

00:49:21.762 --> 00:49:33.938
I made the decision of not to go into it so deep because it's a whole other layer of complication and I did want to avoid some of the political aspects here so people could think for themselves and see evidence.

00:49:33.938 --> 00:49:39.523
So we did deliberately avoid that, but that is nonetheless absurd.

00:49:39.996 --> 00:49:43.324
Well, it's a whole other level of corruption that will take time to tell.

00:49:44.396 --> 00:49:46.342
And once again, I'll get back to what we talked about earlier.

00:49:46.342 --> 00:49:50.967
The problem with us not pointing this out and sounding the alarm is it continues.

00:49:50.967 --> 00:49:56.505
So let's just track the DOJ since this day in May of 2020, what they have done.

00:49:56.505 --> 00:50:05.239
They just kicked a door in of a reporter who was present on January 6 reporting and they just arrested him.

00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:11.807
Three years later, they've got people in prison for years for trespassing charges.

00:50:11.807 --> 00:50:22.244
Once again, I know people start getting triggered when you talk about January 6 because the media has made you get triggered, but if you look at that for what it is, nobody's in prison for years for an insurrection.

00:50:22.244 --> 00:50:27.625
For the most part A lot of vast majority are trespassing charges, which is fine.

00:50:27.625 --> 00:50:31.684
That's a $100 fine in most cities, two days in jail.

00:50:32.235 --> 00:50:44.201
But you have the DOJ getting involved treating this completely different than they treat I don't know burning down federal buildings in Oregon or killing police officers or a whole host of other things that have occurred.

00:50:44.201 --> 00:50:48.465
There's a different treatment and we should all be concerned about those two tiers of justice.

00:50:48.465 --> 00:50:58.500
I don't care what your politics are, because even if you're on the right side of this two tiered justice today, as politics change, if that institution stays that way, you're then on the wrong side of it.

00:50:58.500 --> 00:51:01.963
So, as we speak today, you've got a lot of Democrats going.

00:51:01.963 --> 00:51:13.460
They're down for censorship, which is odd, considering they used to be the party that wanted open freedom and expression, but they're down for censorship until it starts happening to them, because in other countries it's happening to Democrats.

00:51:13.460 --> 00:51:19.322
Facebook just figures out politically how they want those countries to go, and so we should all be alarmed by this.

00:51:19.422 --> 00:51:24.483
But it's so hard to look at this without the political lens, because we've been made to think that everything's political.

00:51:24.483 --> 00:51:28.063
I want to get everybody back to what is right and what is wrong.

00:51:28.063 --> 00:51:29.438
Forget your politics.

00:51:29.438 --> 00:51:31.762
Right and wrong affects everybody, jay.

00:51:33.036 --> 00:51:41.063
Yeah, and that's what really to cut the decor here, travis, is that's what's going on with the FBI involvement and the DOJ involvement here.

00:51:41.063 --> 00:51:54.163
They have a different sense of means and ends than you and I and other our fellow citizens have, and by that I mean to get involved, to do those manipulations.

00:51:54.163 --> 00:52:03.831
That's not for public safety, that's not in the vein of good representation for the American public.

00:52:03.831 --> 00:52:08.364
I'm sorry, I cannot see that and I cannot follow that.

00:52:08.364 --> 00:52:10.438
And back to those tiers.

00:52:10.438 --> 00:52:19.543
Clearly they are operating in concern with a different level or different kind of means and ends.

00:52:20.695 --> 00:52:36.782
And, travis I will say this as part of being my last interview on this whole subject and again saving the best for last man I feel comfortable speaking with you and more than that, we have a shared history.

00:52:36.782 --> 00:52:44.458
So this part this isn't conjecture on my part, being the black sheep in my family.

00:52:44.458 --> 00:52:54.485
So I'm the one who didn't go into a federal or an FBI sponsored service for witnesses.

00:52:54.485 --> 00:53:01.367
I'm not the one who was involved in probably, let's just say, a dozen or so murders.

00:53:01.367 --> 00:53:07.980
I'm not the one who was brought up on RICO charges, and what I'm saying by it's not conjecture.

00:53:08.179 --> 00:53:43.079
I watched how this unfolds at arm's length across the dinner table at Thanksgiving, at Easter, all of this with members of my family, and to know what they did, what they got away with, sanctioned by our FBI for a different set of means, toward a different end, that would probably offend our sense of public safety and any idea of justice.

00:53:44.463 --> 00:54:07.300
For all of that to go unchecked and a good 15, 20 years later for them to suffer absolutely no consequence whatsoever, that offends my idea of truth, that completely offends my idea of right and wrong, and I'm talking about my own family.

00:54:07.300 --> 00:54:41.501
So when I see that unfold right in front of me, no further than my nose, right there, it's not hard for me to realize that what went on in this case, when the FBI was called within three or four hours of this event taking place, to take on a completely different form, a completely different purpose, a completely different set of means toward a different end, unlike justice we would expect.

00:54:41.501 --> 00:54:43.445
It's not hard.

00:54:43.445 --> 00:54:51.108
I've seen it happen, so maybe I did have a little bit more wherewithal to make those kind of connections.

00:54:51.108 --> 00:54:54.139
But it's clearly going on.

00:54:54.139 --> 00:54:58.418
And again, that's not opinion, that's not conjecture.

00:54:58.418 --> 00:55:03.684
I've seen it before and I can recognize clearly when.

00:55:03.744 --> 00:55:04.686
I see it happen again.

00:55:05.934 --> 00:55:15.036
And you see this in American cities today, because the federal government and we've talked about it on this show in the auspice of consent decrees and they tell people a lie.

00:55:15.036 --> 00:55:15.358
They go.

00:55:15.358 --> 00:55:17.755
This is for reform and it's going to make your communities better.

00:55:17.755 --> 00:55:25.177
It's going to build community trust and use all these words we talked about words earlier and they go into these cities and these cities are effectively destroyed.

00:55:25.177 --> 00:55:26.838
Not my opinion.

00:55:26.838 --> 00:55:33.521
You can look at the data 12 of the top 20 murder cities, capitals of this country, are run by the DLJ under consent decrees.

00:55:33.521 --> 00:55:40.900
An article just came out that the most dangerous cities during the holidays half of those cities are run by the DLJ consent decrees cities.

00:55:40.900 --> 00:55:46.846
New Orleans is their violent crimes up 97% after the DLJ came into town.

00:55:46.846 --> 00:55:49.443
Cleveland's up 50% after the DLJ came into town.

00:55:49.896 --> 00:56:02.322
It is designed to actually destroy these cities, and so their involvement is doing that, and so American citizens are experiencing this, but they may not understand why, right, and so they have to pay better attention.

00:56:02.322 --> 00:56:08.907
They have to do what the media was supposed to do in a democracy, which is to hold power accountable.

00:56:08.907 --> 00:56:12.639
We don't have a media that does that anymore and, jay, you've done your part, liz has done her part.

00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:18.963
But now it falls on individual citizens that every time they see a lie they must respond.

00:56:18.963 --> 00:56:25.586
Even if it's every time we celebrate George Floyd's birthday on Twitter from our politicians that are all copy and pasted and they all send it out.

00:56:25.586 --> 00:56:28.059
We hit them a reply with the follow miniapoliscom.

00:56:28.059 --> 00:56:32.447
You know we shamed them and we anybody telling a falsehood.

00:56:32.447 --> 00:56:36.740
We must no longer just shake our head, we must respond.

00:56:36.740 --> 00:56:38.961
It falls on American citizens.

00:56:38.961 --> 00:56:47.764
If you love the country you're in, or the love of the country you used to be in, you must hold truth to power and hold them accountable.

00:56:49.697 --> 00:57:00.027
Absolutely, and you know how hard it is for me to actually say consent decree because I always call it either the dissent decree or the dissent decree.

00:57:00.695 --> 00:57:02.981
Well, you even called it a shit decree at one point.

00:57:05.994 --> 00:57:10.505
That's you making stuff up right there, but exactly again, means to an end.

00:57:10.505 --> 00:57:24.635
Okay, so we're supposed to believe in the myth of systemic racism everywhere, which is strange, but let's just say, yeah, absolutely, law enforcement everywhere in America, every moment, all the time.

00:57:24.635 --> 00:57:35.208
Systemically racism exists, no escape, despite all these do good in leaders who are telling us otherwise, and they're wearing the same uniforms.

00:57:35.208 --> 00:57:39.722
Okay, that aside, this is precisely the operation.

00:57:39.722 --> 00:57:45.666
This is what working, the machinery of different means to different ends looks like.

00:57:45.666 --> 00:57:49.362
We have these consent decrees happening.

00:57:49.362 --> 00:58:17.427
They're not making cities any better, like you said, travis, and when you compare cities that are under, you know, police departments that are under a consent decree, with crime rates, and you start to notice these really strange correlations that do not be speak outstanding public safety and low crime and citizens who are thriving and not vulnerable.

00:58:19.438 --> 00:58:33.867
There's something else going on here, and I think Minneapolis looked like a wonderful opportunity from folks on the other side with some other ends in mind and other purpose to absolutely run into this.

00:58:33.867 --> 00:58:34.690
This was a gift.

00:58:34.690 --> 00:58:39.030
This was like hey, we don't even need the Trojan horse, it's just given to us.

00:58:39.030 --> 00:58:41.762
Let's just follow this narrative and away we go.

00:58:41.762 --> 00:58:43.750
Oh, and hey, by the way.

00:58:43.750 --> 00:58:52.282
If we can get these four officers all hooked up on civil rights charges, all the more better and get them federal charges, all the more better.

00:58:52.282 --> 00:58:55.391
There's a problem there.

00:58:55.391 --> 00:59:00.010
It's not helping, it's not improving, it's not making cities safer.

00:59:00.652 --> 00:59:18.521
And back to what you said, Travis, whether it needs to be advocacy, whether it needs to be taking action or whether it's just ignoring people who are lying and calling them out for lying and not being willing to accept myths, truths and say no, I don't disrespect myself.

00:59:18.521 --> 00:59:22.677
I demand and expect the truth, because that's what I want to give to everyone else.

00:59:22.677 --> 00:59:25.987
We'll start to get out of this moral morass that we're in.

00:59:25.987 --> 00:59:37.760
Otherwise, this is what's gonna happen the DOJ is gonna run, rip shot over every major city we have in this country, and it's already happened, travis, this is well underway.

00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:46.875
I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist that I also get called and everyone says that's what I am, so I'm a Nazi conspiracy theorist.

00:59:47.235 --> 00:59:48.559
No, this is here Again.

00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:49.702
It's empirical Again.

00:59:49.702 --> 00:59:50.766
You can look at all this stuff.

00:59:50.766 --> 00:59:56.842
You do that on law officer a lot when you, when you're talking about these things, the articles that your writers and contributors bring up.

00:59:56.842 --> 01:00:00.059
This is empirical evidence and this is.

01:00:00.059 --> 01:00:12.460
Our so-called government agencies, who are supposed to represent us and help us and protect us, are doing the exact opposite by so many undeniable measures.

01:00:12.460 --> 01:00:18.199
Yet leadership and everyone else seems to be sitting back as if this is all fine and dandy.

01:00:20.644 --> 01:00:21.648
Yeah, Jay.

01:00:21.648 --> 01:00:29.764
That's why I think what you have done is so important for not just Minneapolis in that incident, but it's so important for societies to hold.

01:00:29.764 --> 01:00:31.394
I really want our audience to understand this.

01:00:31.394 --> 01:00:34.405
Everything good that you see is because of leadership.

01:00:34.405 --> 01:00:36.619
Everything bad that you see is because of leadership.

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Leaders made this happen.

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Leaders made the lie up.

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Leaders fed the lie.

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Leaders are going to keep using the lie.

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We have to stop them collectively as being our own leaders.

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Right, we have to stop putting our trust into these maniacs that have done this, and you've gone above and beyond trying to point this out, and that's what we try to do every day here with courageous leadership.

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It's kind of weird to go courageous leadership.

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It shouldn't be courageous to tell the truth.

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It shouldn't be courageous to do the right thing.

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It shouldn't be courageous to treat people the way you want to be treated.

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It's so weird that we have to call it a special name, right, but that's the society we're in and that's why we do this podcast.

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That's why we wanted to bring Dr Shay on to encourage you listening.

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You're not isolated, you're.

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You see this.

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But we need you to take actionable steps towards it, and we're going to work throughout the next year to give you those actionable steps.

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Dr J.

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C.

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Chaix, I'm so honored that you came on.

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As you said, you kept the best for last, and I think you probably did, although you're probably on much high profile shows.

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I certainly appreciate you using our platform to kind of give your final parting words on such a tremendous work that you've done here, and I wish you all the best and success in the future.

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So thank you so much for being with us today.

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Thank you, Travis, and thank everyone who's listening as well.

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I appreciate it.

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And if you're listening, thank you.

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And just remember, lead on and stay courageous.

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Thank you for listening to Courageous Leadership with Travis Yates.

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We invite you to join other courageous leaders at www.

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TravisYates.

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Dr. JC Chaix

Dr. JC Chaix is an editor, educator, and an expert in media studies.

His expertise concerns media hoaxes, propaganda, and deceptive media techniques. His research often involves semiotics, (digital) literary/media analysis, and meta-analysis of communication theories and practices. Dr. Chaix holds a Ph.D. in strategic media (with highest distinction) and a master's degree in English with a specialization in 18th- and 19th-century Gothic literature.

Dr. Chaix is the first person in more than 400 years to evidence how neo-Pythagorean mathematical/textual correlations were used to create intersemiotic complementarity in the composition of The Revelation in The King James Bible (1611), as demonstrated in his 500+ page doctoral dissertation. He is also the first person to discover and document a devilishly similar scheme was used by Scottish author James Hogg in his classic "The Private Memoirs and Confessions of a Justified Sinner" (1824).

He has often been called a consummate 21st-century “Renaissance man.” He is a former managing editor (for the world's largest IT research/advisory firm), a former police officer, a former firefighter—and an accomplished (jazz) musician, award-winning photographer, and acclaimed media producer. He wrote and directed the documentary film "The Fall of Minneapolis," which Miranda Devine of the NY Post called "brilliant."

Dr. Chaix is bilingual (English/German) and studies Norwegian and Italian. Yet perhaps most importantly, Dr. Chaix is a staunch supporter of liberty, …