Jan. 12, 2024
Don't Feed The Trolls
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Have you ever been caught between doing what's morally right and dodging public criticism? That's the tightrope of leadership we're walking on today's "Courageous Leadership with Travis Yates," where we dissect how narratives shape our decisions and actions and why it's crucial to base law enforcement reforms on data and facts, not emotionally charged narratives.
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Welcome to Courageous Leadership with Travis Yates, where leaders find the insights, advice and encouragement they need to lead courageously.
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Welcome back to the show.
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I'm so honored that you're spending a few minutes with us here today and this is going to be rather brief.
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But a comment came in this morning to one of our social media pages after a clip we had posted, and I thought it was so timely to sort of show this to you and explain to you exactly what's going on.
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The biggest reason most good people that get into leadership positions then just don't make the right decision it really boils down in law enforcement to this, and it's kind of crazy to say is they don't want to get called a name right.
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There's a narrative that if you follow, you never have to worry about anybody getting upset.
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People may get upset, but usually those are law enforcement people or pro police people and they don't have necessarily the same platform that people that maybe want to push law enforcement into reforms and a bunch of other things may have.
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And so you know we have two different types of leaders in a profession, one more than that, two specific ones people that ignore the narrative and they do what's right, or ones that just go along with the narrative.
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And, of course, much of what we've experienced in recent years is a cowardice in the profession, where people are more scared about what could happen to them, what people could think of them, versus just doing the right thing.
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So we work in a business where things happen a lot, things are deemed controversial a lot and if you just cower down to the folks that are upset all the time, that creates a lot of problems.
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And of course we've seen it in the profession.
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But this comment came after I had posted a segment of my training seminar on courageous police leadership.
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I want you to just hear the segment.
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It's pretty brief.
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Then I'll tell you the comment because I have a point to show.
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So here we go.
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Here is what I.
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If you want to know what cowards have done to law enforcement and the communities out there, look around, see, look around, see.
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My fear is what they have done to us is going to be the new normal.
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It's going to be the new normal that you can't recruit in staff your agencies.
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I'm already seeing people that are just saying nothing we can do, we're just going to have to downgrade services.
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Excuses.
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It's the new normal when I hear the Portland mayor, after homicides went up 65% in one year, he comes out and says if you reelect me, I will reduce homicides 10%, and they reelected him.
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You see, that's how they make the new normal is.
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They make you think that it's normal and nothing's normal.
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If I would have told you five years ago what it's like in law enforcement and in our major cities today, you would have sent me to a mental hospital.
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They're making you believe that it's the new normal and that somehow it's your fault.
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Okay, so sort of just take that in.
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You know, I think it was pretty clear what I'm discussing.
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I mean the opening, opening hour of a class.
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I'm sort of laying down the foundation of why we need good leaders.
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So it's often hard when you just show a few minutes of an entire day to get context, but I thought the context was rather there.
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Here's what the comment said.
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Now I want to read you the comment without any commentary on my end.
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But then I want to point out something very important to you as a leader, because it may not be a comment to you, but it could be a letter or an email or a complaint or a city council meeting.
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I want you to be able to recognize when you're dealing with this type of person, and I'll explain exactly later where that is.
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But because of the comment, we're going to be able to analyze that pretty quickly and let you know exactly why you should ignore exactly what was said.
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So here's the comment after that clip Quote this clip illustrates the us versus them culture embedded within the law enforcement community.
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He labels those outside law enforcement as cowards.
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He assumes the worst motivation.
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Yes, there are liberal politicians who are anti law enforcement, but they wouldn't be able to gain the influence they did if the law enforcement house was in order.
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There are sincere groups of people who want some sort of legitimate police reforms, but most of the time their churches are businesses usual versus liberal anti law enforcement.
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So when businesses usual isn't working, they swing to the other side.
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Something I also notice about this video is that this is an old white guy talking to an all white group about the good old days.
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My words, but his description.
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However, for minorities, they are longing for better days to come.
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I don't know how to get there.
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Law enforcement needs to provide an innovative third option to regain the trust of our communities.
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Now, that is a lot of words on a very short video, and the reason this is done now are there just people that are misinformed and they just think these things, of course.
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Are there people, though, that intentionally say these things for a reason?
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Yes, then are there just dumb people?
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Yeah, of course.
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All that's true.
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I don't know which one this guy is, but the language he writes here tells me it indicates to me he's not dumb.
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So you can pick one of the other two out.
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You think it is.
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So I want you to look at this and I'm going to break this down for you.
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It's important because you may not get in the comment or someone say just this, but they use the same techniques.
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So they're going to use four different techniques when there's no evidence, when there's no facts, when there's no data.
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By the way, these are all pretty much worked in recent years, so I understand why they're doing it.
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They're going to talk about race, they're going to make it an emotionally based argument.
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It's going to be opinion the vast majority will be opinion or it will be taking data and taking it out of context and making it an opinion.
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Right, the Phoenix Police Department shot more officers per capita than any department this year.
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Outrage, emotion.
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Well, there's a whole lot more to discuss there.
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Right, we need to sort of know the specifics of that.
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That's what I'm talking about.
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So it's an opinion, and maybe they make an opinion with using a few of the facts, but it's completely an opinion at the end of the day.
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And then, of course, the final one is name calling.
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So what's missing here in this informative you know diatribe comment?
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What's missing are things that actually matter Facts, data, truths, context.
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Now, everything that actually matters is missing.
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Let me go through here and take what I just said.
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Do you remember the four things Race, emotion, opinion, name calling?
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Let's go through here and let's talk about that as he writes, because the reason I'm saying this is not to make this guy look foolish.
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There's a lot of folks like this.
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I'm not upset whatsoever.
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I'm trying to use this to teach you when this happens to you, when should you completely ignore it or when should you have a conversation?
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And I'll give you, based on those four things I just talked about race, emotion, opinion, name calling.
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You would ignore that completely.
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That's why we're going to ignore this guy, although we're using as a teaching lesson here.
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But you would want to engage with people if they're not playing those games, because that's kind of a game, they're being played, whether the game they know it or not.
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That's a game you hear about everywhere.
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It's not just law enforcement, it's politics, it's health.
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Everywhere you see they're using race, emotion, opinion, name calling.
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That's what they're using.
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Close your eyes.
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There's time you listen to the news and someone's upset and think to yourself how many things are they saying are actually factual?
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Or is it a mixture of a lot of emotion and to get people upset and then maybe there's some truths in there mixed in, but a lot of its opinion.
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That's what you really need to listen to and we really, if we're going to ever fix anything, whether it's law enforcement or anything else in this country.
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We got to get away from this, but nobody seems to want to.
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This is what this seems to be working right.
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So here's where I'm going to go through here.
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This is what this guy says.
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This clip illustrates the us versus them culture.
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Now, keep in mind I never said the word us versus them.
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I never said the word culture I talked about.
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I talked about people that were creating problems in their profession.
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Now, at not one point was that us versus them, because the vast majority of people are not creating problems in the profession.
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So that's complete opinion.
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That's completely his bias to think that he labels those.
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He's talking about me.
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I'm not upset, but he's talking about me.
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He labels those outside law enforcement as cowards.
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No, I didn't.
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Nope, I didn't say people outside law enforcement are cowards.
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I said the word coward but I was specifically mentioning the people that are doing damage to law enforcement.
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Leaders in law enforcement is when I described the cowards Okay, if you took my full day class, you would know I call people inside the profession that are not leading the right way.
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So, obviously, complete opinion bias from him.
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I never labeled anyone outside law enforcement as cowards.
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So he said and I assumed that they had the worst motivations.
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Nope, never said that.
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He said that.
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You see where I'm going here.
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He says, yes, there are liberal politicians who are anti law enforcement.
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We agree.
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I alluded to that.
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So far, he's gotten one thing right.
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Okay, but they would not be able to gain the influence they did if the law enforcement house was in order.
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Once again, where's the facts?
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Where's the data?
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Where is anything?
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Where is anything there other than this is what I believe.
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Okay, this is what.
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That's the only thing that's here.
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There's nothing factual there.
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It sounds good, it sounds like a gotcha moment, but there's nothing factual there.
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You, as a leader, a courageous leader, you need to recognize this when you see it, because if I wasn't, if I could have fallen into a three, three day conversation with this guy online trying to outwit him with the with the keyboard.
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No, no, you need to completely ignore it.
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They want to distract you as long as you're not dealing with crime and safety and law and you're having to deal with this.
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That's what they want.
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And yes, I said they.
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He got triggered because I said they in the interview.
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But if you think when I say they, I mean the entire world but me, you're insane.
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But that's what he thinks it means.
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Right, because a lot of these folks are caught up on words.
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Certain words trigger them and they automatically assume that you did it to trigger them.
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That's why when I read anybody go, this policeman shot this guy and this policeman.
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It was a racist act.
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No, it's actually racist.
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To say it's a racist act with no evidence, that means you're putting race into it that this is what's done and we have not been unable to deal with this.
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And what I'm trying to tell you is, when you deal with somebody like this, here's how you deal with it, you don't deal with it.
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Okay, let me go on here, because he just said some good things here.
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In a minute I think.
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He says there are sincere groups of people who want some sort of legitimate police reforms.
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Absolutely agree.
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This wasn't a clip, but if you would have watched, my entire day I discussed that in detail.
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Anybody who's been in my training knows that I help you to delineate the difference between a good group and a bad group, and he's absolutely right.
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There are many legitimate police groups that kind of get thrown to the side because they get lumped in and I've very close to my class, but I don't even know where this came from, because this clip didn't even mention anything about that.
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But he once again, it's his bias is what he thinks.
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He said.
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Most of the time there's choices are business as usual versus liberal, anti-law enforcement policy, so when business isn't working, they swing to the other side.
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Once again, that's all opinion.
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I have no idea what he's talking about here, something I also noticed about the video.
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Now, whenever you hear this, something I also noticed.
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Or, on another note, you know it's coming right.
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Here's a great example In 2009, the Cambridge police incident happened and then President Barack Obama had an evening time press conference and he got asked a question about this misdemeanor arrest in Cambridge Massachusetts really an innocuous, it's a misdemeanor arrest for obstruction, right.
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But all of a sudden the president's talking about it.
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He kind of gives this sort of diatribe, how this guy's my friend and I don't know what's going on, but I know this, there's been issues of this, issues of that but then he stops midway.
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Nobody remembers this part and he, on another note, he made some sort of transition to where he stopped talking about that incident and jumped to another incident.
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Then he's talked about police historically have been used disproportionate behavior to African-Americans, and he starts going down this rabbit hole which this had nothing to do with this arrest, nothing to do with it.
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He jumps to sharks, so to speak, and talks about this global problem with racism and law enforcement.
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That's what this guy's doing here.
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Here we go, he goes, he's about to jump the shark and he does it.
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He indicates it by saying.
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Something I also noticed is this is an old white guy.
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Now, I would say that's an opinion, but I think that's probably factual, probably one of the first few things truth he said.
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I guess I would be considered old.
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I'm in my early fifties.
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I mean, I love to think that technology has improved, but okay, let's just go with it.
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I don't argue with him.
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This is an old white guy talking to an all white group about the good old days.
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That has to be my favorite line.
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How does he know it's an all white group?
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Who watches any videos and go how many blacks are there?
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How many whites are there?
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First off, it wasn't an all white group.
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I was there that day.
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Maybe in the screenshot in the back of people's necks, he figured it was an all white group, or he could just assume it was an all white group.
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But it's completely fabricated.
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It's a complete lie.
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And maybe he believes that.
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But it didn't matter, I was there, I know it.
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It's a lie.
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You see what's going on here, though.
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Right, this is.
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Let me go down to my top four words again Race, emotion, opinion, name calling.
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We're in the name calling segment now.
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That's usually the last ditch effort, right?
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You're ever having an argument with somebody and they can all of a sudden call you a name?
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They're out of arguments, right?
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So he kind of he can't let it go.
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He says I'm an old white guy, I'm talking to a white group and it harps back to the good old days.
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What's he alluding to here?
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I'm not gonna do what he does and make an assumption, but first off, I never said the word good old days.
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I never said that word.
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What I'm talking about cause.
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In the video I specifically say if you think things are going great, look around.
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Anyone with the brain knows what that means.
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What's the violent crime rate?
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What's the retention rate?
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What's the recruiting?
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How's things going out there when you go to the grocery store, I mean, how's it going?
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Anyone with the brain knows what I'm referring to is is the state of affairs right now in America.
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It's specifically in law enforcement.
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He has now made all this about race.
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He's the one that called me a white guy, which that was actually true.
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The fact I'm old is actually true.
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So we once again.
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He's mixing truths in with the rest of the opinion to give it some validity, and so I really wanted to just cover this with you so you recognize it.
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We get so.
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I see people online arguing with people on social media and they're going back and forth.
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What you need to understand is a Certain segment of society doesn't care about the truth.
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They don't care about that and by you giving the truth does not segment them whatsoever.
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There are certainly people that just need to be educated and informed, but that doesn't usually take place online in an argument format, most like if this guy would have watched a video and he thinks to himself Hmm, I'm not quite sure what the mean is behind that.
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It's just a two-minute video out of eight hours.
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I mean I'll reach out to Travis and have a conversation with him.
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That's actually happened a lot.
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I love talking to people about this stuff and generally most of the time everybody sort of understands it and gets it.
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But it's much easier, instead of building that relationship and inquiring, it's much easier to sling a little comment, probably make yourself feel better.
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You stood up for whatever you're standing up for today and move on.
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And it's done to keep me from saying what I'm saying.
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It's done to tell you when you read that you better not say something similar.
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Now, that name may not be his motivation because, unlike him, I'm not going to guess on his motivation, but that's the sort of the, the, the.
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What happens oftentimes from that?
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And we see so much weakness in leadership that they're just scared of this.
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They're scared of being accused of something.
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They're scared of getting called the name and it's hilarious to me.
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We're scared by it because you know who you are.
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If somebody called me a white supremacist today by the way, the guys just stopped short I'm really shocked.
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He didn't, but oh, you know he didn't, I Would laugh because I know I'm not.
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And then, of course, they've done the little twist to ruin where they go.
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Oh, so if you don't acknowledge it, then you must be.
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You know they've done this weird thing going on.
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No, no, stop.
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We better bring some common sense back, folks, and get back to truths and facts.
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And you name it now.
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I didn't have a segment here where I was spitting out data to you, right?
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